that, say, through tax reform, where you cap deductions for the wealthiest taxpayers, and in effect they will pay a higher rate, but you won't call it a higher rate. so, is that a matter of semantics? >> he says the wealthiest to pay a little more in taxes. i didn't hear him use the number 35% or 39.6%. >> exactly. >> so if they eliminate a lot of deductions and say if you're making more than than amount of money, you're not going to be eligible for these deductions, these loopholes, these tax credits or whatever, is that an area where they can exrie myself. >> he's had a proposal exactly to that effect in the last few years that says the that value of deductions would be reduced to people who are at the highest level of income. i don't see him accepting the tax rate, the lower tax rate keeping at 35%. >> let me stop you for a second.